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Amduscias

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Harassment and Bots
« on: December 08, 2021, 12:37:54 PM »
     I have been recently reported by one of your users, in game nickname Bullet, for harassing new players.
      This is not true. The players I engaged in pvp not pk, as he accused, are all top level and equipment charakters. All of them bot/macro users constantly farming in all major hunting zones. Bullet Groex Jacquel1ne and countless more ,though these are the ones I have been deliberately pvping with out of my intolerance of their obvious bot usage.
    Yesterday I did make my 3rd in total these last 6 years on this server PK. It was against player MimozaEB whom along with Drugster Quinzel Wildrose iVidiya and Vlada entered the Antharas Raid along with a party I had formed with other Active Players. I emphasize on Active because I am certain by the movement and behaviour of the above mentioned players that they were all 1 or maybe 2 persons boxing accounts and bot using those charakters.Most possibly 1 person with 2 computers on ,I cannot be sure.
    These players and More, systematically appear at the spawn points of the raids at the exact spawn time All the time. I have been observing their actions for months now, and years before during my stay on this server.I did pk the certain player in my attempt to stop them from "stealing" the raid for the millionth time.Hardly a new player one could say and most certainly a bot/macro user.
     Concerning pks, I see a rich list of the top 20 pk in the server.Zariche and Akamana also drop, and I my self have been pked by many of the above more than once, all of which mean clearly that if one wishes to go chaotic in this server he or she can do so, chaotic is part of the game after all .Yet today I see a block all chat on my account as punishment for pking harassing MimozaEB? Since the form of punishment came as a chat block maybe it is for use of how would you say... obscene or profane language? If so I can only say to my defense that Yes I Am a user of profane language when offended in any way by others. But take into consideration that I only do so when offended in the first place.If that is so I also request the punishment of all of the above for bot/macro usage.
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Re: Harassment and Bots
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2021, 04:44:09 PM »
1) you yourself admitted that you killed in PK although no one touched you
2) what active players ? you have were 2 boxing accounts
3) If you can't win honestly, don't come
3) stop whining and slandering others if you don't know how who plays and how who enters
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Re: Harassment and Bots
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2021, 07:17:00 PM »
in progress.
The 2 sides were contacted and hopefuly a resolution was found that satisfies both parties.

More anti-clicker measures will be added soon and better/new farming zones / balancing of farming zones are in work / epic raids for all / craftable epic raids (some) and more. 
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Re: Harassment and Bots
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2021, 07:35:49 PM »
         Posted by: Riki
« on: Today at 04:44:09 PM »Insert Quote
1) you yourself admitted that you killed in PK although no one touched you
2) what active players ? you have were 2 boxing accounts
3) If you can't win honestly, don't come
3) stop whining and slandering others if you don't know how who plays and how who enters


         If you had read me more carefully you would have concluded that the last thing I do is to whine.
  As far as honest winning or playing is concerned I Was boxing 3 charakters not with the use of bots or macros though ,and the other players of my cc were normal active players with 1 box as well.
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Re: Harassment and Bots
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2021, 07:29:25 AM »
Dear GM, give punishment this player for misinformation!!!!!! How many times to explain INSTALLED PROTECTION AGAINST BOTS  THEY DO NOT WORK HERE. Where is the proof that the bots were there?  You can write anything you want. How long can slander? Administrator take action for slandering other characters.

Our anti-bot protects against bots;
A bot is a complex software that makes a character behave as a real player. THis includes:  complex pvp actions, complex farming, talking with players also and many more.

Bots are banned at login (try to log with any bot software on, and you will see you get banned at login , at first for only a day , and after forever depending on the software used)

A clicker:
Is a simple click and point macro, which comes with most mouses also. These are highly ineffective, can repeat only same actions (click on the screen part x, click on the screen part y ).
That is why clicker users are mostly useless in high end farm areas, they die, and simply lie afk after.

While clickers can be annoying, they cannot do much of anything.

A bot can do real harm (fight you in pvp, and more) , and that is why we pay monthly the best antibot protection there is.

Sadly the 2 terms were long ago misrepresented and misused and thus the big confusion it brings.

We already made many zones ineffective for clickers, and will further add and improve zones (and add new solo instances amongst other things) that reward people that think vs mindless farmers.

THat is why rewards for smart farming are increased, but still most people demand mindless farm which makes the balancing of the 2 very difficult.

To catch a clicker is fairly easy for a gm , but very hard for a player, because a normal user can be taken for a clicker.

Exemples: there were players that do not speak or answer private messages or any in game, mistakenly taken over and over for clickers thus resulting in these new players leaving the game because they are not left alone. Most cannot even play good, just use same 2 actions or even hold the soulshot button many times not knowing is automatic...

There were players that played for years and did not know how to use a private message.

There are russian speaking people, mostly they don t answer messages of any kind but they are at the pc just don t even bother answering to foreign alphabet (they use cyrilic)

There are people that box 2-3 windows while farming since many zones farming is mobs dying in few hits (which will be changed ) and do not follow much what is happening but they are at the pc.

AFK Farming is not allowed.

So while many of players intentions are noble in trying to stop players that indeed use clickers having a relative advantage of repetitive mindless farming over players that truly farm with their heads and hands, ultimately is not a big advantage if any.

The key word is mindless farm, which in time we will remove from everywhere, since now mindless farming/auto farming is added in official, we here have no reason to keep it, even if many new casuals would like it, it  s just a waste of time.

For all the above time is needed for development.
In perspective to add a new zone inteligently and rewards to it would need at least 2 weeks, without testing included.

All suggestions are welcomed, through the years we tried everything, including anti-captcha (a window popping up at random times with a random question to be solved, which worked but causing issues also: many did not know what button to push, ok or cancel - true or false, or were surprised and failed to answer, or were afk in that moment at farm , go to bathroom etc, and were caught by surprise, and tons of other variables that can happen)...

Again, our conclusion was add high rewards for areas where clickers cannot be used and low ones for mindless farming. ( instances = high rewards, etc).

With new updates some classes got much stronger then predicted making such zones (kill with auto attack) possible, which defeated the above many times, which again, is in work, and needs player feedback. Also gear/items play a big role in the above.

As you can see from the above there are tons of variables, and the quickest answer is just report here on the forum, there is the topic to report such suspects and gm can check for few days at random time, banning the character that is afk farming, no matter the reason.

In time using such nonsense clicker will be totally useless here, having much better ways to earn wealth in game. (in work as we speak). These incude smart monsters, instances and new custom quests that are actually interesting, and also optimizing raids for non high end geared players. (already done for epics). and craft system back classic.
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Re: Harassment and Bots
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2021, 07:59:08 AM »
Thank you for your very good answer, but I understand everything about this and fully support you, but there are people who do not understand this and because of them all the problems. You wrote very well.
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